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	<description>Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology.</description>
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		<title>By: KJ Digg</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/03/21/we-hate-mobile-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-102465</link>
		<dc:creator>KJ Digg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 22:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting discussion on this topic here: http://www.linkedin.com/answers/technology/wireless/TCH_WIR/49120-1145339</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting discussion on this topic here: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/answers/technology/wireless/TCH_WIR/49120-1145339" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/answers/technology/wireless/TCH_WIR/49120-1145339</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Ahonen</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/03/21/we-hate-mobile-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-101164</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomi Ahonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Russell and readers of MobHappy

Very good posting as per usual, Russell. And very good points in your blog about the concepts. I also liked the observation by James here, that if you asked Americans if they wanted ads in any media, 90% would say no...

I&#039;d like to bring in some perspective. America is the industrialized world&#039;s laggard mobile market with USA (second last) and Canada (dead last) among all indstrialized countries in cellphone usage. Identical trends in EVERYTHING from users abandoning landlines with a clear preference to cellphones, to starting to use SMS text messaging. To show Americans how far it can go, USA cellphone penetration rate per capita is about 75%. The European average is 105% and the world&#039;s leading countries - Taiwan, Hong Kong, Italy and Israel - are at 130% and still growing. As per capita means penetration across the whole population, and while children do have phones (KDDI just released a new cameraphone model aimed at the under 9 year olds), certainly the toddlers don&#039;t. So over 100% penetration rates mean people own multiple subscrptions and phones - one in five Europeans has two phones, in fact young adults now think its a sign of being cool and/or important if you have two phones.

Same with SMS text messaging. Americans have reached 42% SMS usage according to the CTIA. That is like European averages about five years ago. When calculated across the whole cellphone subscriber base, Americans send 0.5 text messages per day. The European average is about 1.5 text messages per day. But the leading countries like Philippines, Singapore and Korea see SMS use at the levels of between 10-15 SMS per subscriber per day. And before you say &quot;but its poor teenagers&quot; - think again, British business executives say SMS is their most important communications tool, totally indispensible to daily work. And British youth? One in ten British teens averages 100 SMS per day, talk about aching thumbs.

Now, American cellphone usage trails the industrialized world average, but shows IDENTICAL patterns. Expect Americans to become as addicted to cellphones as the Europeans and Asians.

So the survey of only an American user base, is also skewed very strongly against the norm of the industrialized world. If we ran the same survey in Japan - the world&#039;s most advanced mobile advertising market - where 54% of Japanese cellphone users ALREADY consume ads, and 44% of Japanese consumers ALREADY actively click on advertising links on their cellphones - you would find a radically different result. Now with companies like Admob (Thanks Russell for sharing your numbers with us from time to time, they are such a wonderful source of validation here in Europe) we can see that this concept is totally valid beyond &quot;just Japan&quot;...

Thanks

Tomi Ahonen   :-)
4-time bestselling author on mobile and media
lecturing at Oxford University on mobile and media convergence
blog www.communities-dominate.blogs.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Russell and readers of MobHappy</p>
<p>Very good posting as per usual, Russell. And very good points in your blog about the concepts. I also liked the observation by James here, that if you asked Americans if they wanted ads in any media, 90% would say no&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to bring in some perspective. America is the industrialized world&#8217;s laggard mobile market with USA (second last) and Canada (dead last) among all indstrialized countries in cellphone usage. Identical trends in EVERYTHING from users abandoning landlines with a clear preference to cellphones, to starting to use SMS text messaging. To show Americans how far it can go, USA cellphone penetration rate per capita is about 75%. The European average is 105% and the world&#8217;s leading countries &#8211; Taiwan, Hong Kong, Italy and Israel &#8211; are at 130% and still growing. As per capita means penetration across the whole population, and while children do have phones (KDDI just released a new cameraphone model aimed at the under 9 year olds), certainly the toddlers don&#8217;t. So over 100% penetration rates mean people own multiple subscrptions and phones &#8211; one in five Europeans has two phones, in fact young adults now think its a sign of being cool and/or important if you have two phones.</p>
<p>Same with SMS text messaging. Americans have reached 42% SMS usage according to the CTIA. That is like European averages about five years ago. When calculated across the whole cellphone subscriber base, Americans send 0.5 text messages per day. The European average is about 1.5 text messages per day. But the leading countries like Philippines, Singapore and Korea see SMS use at the levels of between 10-15 SMS per subscriber per day. And before you say &#8220;but its poor teenagers&#8221; &#8211; think again, British business executives say SMS is their most important communications tool, totally indispensible to daily work. And British youth? One in ten British teens averages 100 SMS per day, talk about aching thumbs.</p>
<p>Now, American cellphone usage trails the industrialized world average, but shows IDENTICAL patterns. Expect Americans to become as addicted to cellphones as the Europeans and Asians.</p>
<p>So the survey of only an American user base, is also skewed very strongly against the norm of the industrialized world. If we ran the same survey in Japan &#8211; the world&#8217;s most advanced mobile advertising market &#8211; where 54% of Japanese cellphone users ALREADY consume ads, and 44% of Japanese consumers ALREADY actively click on advertising links on their cellphones &#8211; you would find a radically different result. Now with companies like Admob (Thanks Russell for sharing your numbers with us from time to time, they are such a wonderful source of validation here in Europe) we can see that this concept is totally valid beyond &#8220;just Japan&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Tomi Ahonen   <img src='http://mobhappy.com/blog1/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
4-time bestselling author on mobile and media<br />
lecturing at Oxford University on mobile and media convergence<br />
blog <a href="http://www.communities-dominate.blogs.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.communities-dominate.blogs.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: psionandy</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/03/21/we-hate-mobile-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-101028</link>
		<dc:creator>psionandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with mobile advertising is that Consumers can end up paying for it. If a mobile website has banner adds, pop-ups, nice jazzy pictures of the sponsors product then I have to pay for that extra data over my mobile connection. Combined with the extra time that it takes people to download the extra information it&#039;s not surprising that people don&#039;t like the idea of mobile advertising.

If I&#039;m paid to receive the adds it would at least off set the extra costs that I&#039;m paying to subsidise your business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with mobile advertising is that Consumers can end up paying for it. If a mobile website has banner adds, pop-ups, nice jazzy pictures of the sponsors product then I have to pay for that extra data over my mobile connection. Combined with the extra time that it takes people to download the extra information it&#8217;s not surprising that people don&#8217;t like the idea of mobile advertising.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m paid to receive the adds it would at least off set the extra costs that I&#8217;m paying to subsidise your business model.</p>
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		<title>By: James Quintana Pearce</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/03/21/we-hate-mobile-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-101019</link>
		<dc:creator>James Quintana Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you support spam? Just kidding. But you&#039;re right -- it&#039;s a dodgy question. Level of interest among US mobile phone users in receiving advertisments via mobile phone -- 90% not at all interested.
Level of interest among US citizens in receiving advertisments via any medium whatsoever -- 90% not at all interested. 

The only exception I can think of is certain womens magazines where the ads for clothes and make-up are the real reason a lot of women by the publications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you support spam? Just kidding. But you&#8217;re right &#8212; it&#8217;s a dodgy question. Level of interest among US mobile phone users in receiving advertisments via mobile phone &#8212; 90% not at all interested.<br />
Level of interest among US citizens in receiving advertisments via any medium whatsoever &#8212; 90% not at all interested. </p>
<p>The only exception I can think of is certain womens magazines where the ads for clothes and make-up are the real reason a lot of women by the publications.</p>
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		<title>By: ?Ålvaro Andoin</title>
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		<dc:creator>?Ålvaro Andoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right put Russell. The question on some surveys are very tricky.

Some years ago when working for a cosmetic firm we did an online survey asking Internet users if they would go from a site promotion-to-store to get a product sample and most of them answered no. They answered that they would prefer to receive it at home. Me too ;-)

Reality showed that women, and many men now, liked to try new product launches and would definetely go to a department store to get a free sample after having registered on our website.

Same trend in Spain: Coca-Cola is subsidizing the spanish football league &quot;virtual&quot; goals to mobile phones through movistar emocion free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right put Russell. The question on some surveys are very tricky.</p>
<p>Some years ago when working for a cosmetic firm we did an online survey asking Internet users if they would go from a site promotion-to-store to get a product sample and most of them answered no. They answered that they would prefer to receive it at home. Me too <img src='http://mobhappy.com/blog1/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Reality showed that women, and many men now, liked to try new product launches and would definetely go to a department store to get a free sample after having registered on our website.</p>
<p>Same trend in Spain: Coca-Cola is subsidizing the spanish football league &#8220;virtual&#8221; goals to mobile phones through movistar emocion free.</p>
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