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	<title>Comments on: Just &#8216;Cause You&#8217;re Marketing To Mobiles Doesn&#8217;t Make It Any Good</title>
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		<title>By: Anders Borg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders Borg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At mm3 we noticed that it was the brands themselves (and a few individuals there) that had the best ideas for mobile marketing campaigns, not the agencies and certainly not the media bureaus, that risk losing face towards the customer if they suggest a new means of marketing that might fail.

One concern companies might have about SMS marketing is that it costs per user, but on the other hand it could be much more targeted (existing customer base for specific types of items) instead of the broadcast and arguably effective marketing (yet &quot;safe&quot;, as the marketing budget is already set) we see everyday in magazines, TV, on posters etc. Compared to e-mail marketing it&#039;s more expensive, but on the other hand you might spend $$$$ on getting a well-designed e-mail message.

Most marketing mm3 has done is SMS or MMS based, and mostly triggered via other media, like &quot;SMS to win&quot;, &quot;SMS to vote&quot;, &quot;MMS your photo&quot; etc, even though there&#039;s also been bulk messaging to club members etc.

Regarding Bluetooth: 

It&#039;s good for situations where the user is anonymous but the venue (and message) is specific, which is the case if you are in a shop of whatever kind. 

The message has to convey context-specific value to me as potential buyer, like a coupon for rebates to show at the counter or new items etc. Not generic messages like &quot;Buy at ...&quot;. I&#039;m obviously already there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At mm3 we noticed that it was the brands themselves (and a few individuals there) that had the best ideas for mobile marketing campaigns, not the agencies and certainly not the media bureaus, that risk losing face towards the customer if they suggest a new means of marketing that might fail.</p>
<p>One concern companies might have about SMS marketing is that it costs per user, but on the other hand it could be much more targeted (existing customer base for specific types of items) instead of the broadcast and arguably effective marketing (yet &#8220;safe&#8221;, as the marketing budget is already set) we see everyday in magazines, TV, on posters etc. Compared to e-mail marketing it&#8217;s more expensive, but on the other hand you might spend $$$$ on getting a well-designed e-mail message.</p>
<p>Most marketing mm3 has done is SMS or MMS based, and mostly triggered via other media, like &#8220;SMS to win&#8221;, &#8220;SMS to vote&#8221;, &#8220;MMS your photo&#8221; etc, even though there&#8217;s also been bulk messaging to club members etc.</p>
<p>Regarding Bluetooth: </p>
<p>It&#8217;s good for situations where the user is anonymous but the venue (and message) is specific, which is the case if you are in a shop of whatever kind. </p>
<p>The message has to convey context-specific value to me as potential buyer, like a coupon for rebates to show at the counter or new items etc. Not generic messages like &#8220;Buy at &#8230;&#8221;. I&#8217;m obviously already there.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bourke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on guys..I thought the debate about opt-in for Bluetooth had moved on? It&#039;s a broadcast mechanism - I don&#039;t have to opt in to get the BBC World Service on my radio right? By switching on Bluetooth I am implicity accepting broadcasts from any device within ~20m, commercial or non-commercial. My opt out option is not to switch on Bluetooth.

From a media perspective I can see how selling Bluetooth media is more attractive than floor or shelf promotional space. It is managed remotely by a 3rd party so the shop assistants don&#039;t have to look at a planogram and stick up posters so saving time; promotional apathy amongst retailers is one of the main reasons for promotion failure. The shop assistants leave the packs from head office under the till. With Bluetooth, the retailer can rotate campaigns thus creating &#039;impressions&#039; that follow reach/frequency rules thus increasing the likely hood of a targeted hit and propect conversion. Rotation means more advertisers, potentially generating more revenue for the retailer. 

In the UK at least, the argument about targeting minors doesn&#039;t apply to in-store promotions (or outdoor posters in shopping malls or bus shelters for that matter - both high youth dwell areas) so why should Bluetooth be a special case???

Chris Bourke, Mobext</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on guys..I thought the debate about opt-in for Bluetooth had moved on? It&#8217;s a broadcast mechanism &#8211; I don&#8217;t have to opt in to get the BBC World Service on my radio right? By switching on Bluetooth I am implicity accepting broadcasts from any device within ~20m, commercial or non-commercial. My opt out option is not to switch on Bluetooth.</p>
<p>From a media perspective I can see how selling Bluetooth media is more attractive than floor or shelf promotional space. It is managed remotely by a 3rd party so the shop assistants don&#8217;t have to look at a planogram and stick up posters so saving time; promotional apathy amongst retailers is one of the main reasons for promotion failure. The shop assistants leave the packs from head office under the till. With Bluetooth, the retailer can rotate campaigns thus creating &#8216;impressions&#8217; that follow reach/frequency rules thus increasing the likely hood of a targeted hit and propect conversion. Rotation means more advertisers, potentially generating more revenue for the retailer. </p>
<p>In the UK at least, the argument about targeting minors doesn&#8217;t apply to in-store promotions (or outdoor posters in shopping malls or bus shelters for that matter &#8211; both high youth dwell areas) so why should Bluetooth be a special case???</p>
<p>Chris Bourke, Mobext</p>
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		<title>By: Giff Gfroerer, i2SMS</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2009/07/09/just-cause-youre-marketing-to-mobiles-doesnt-make-it-any-good/comment-page-1/#comment-128322</link>
		<dc:creator>Giff Gfroerer, i2SMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First question from the states is I wonder if this is even legal?  Advertising to minors?  What if I am going into this store to buy wine for our evening party with my 15 year old son who has a phone also.  Now he gets this message?  I can imagine some very upset parents.

Next thought, if it is legal, which I doubt, I agree with the advertising comment that a poster would be better.  The better use of this marketing would be to transfer some really fun 30 second adverts to the phone that they have previously produced, or great sports moments, or something that advertises their brand that can go viral...

I can also attest that I have never called a liquor store and really have no need ever to call a liquor store.  I know where they are, and unfortunately, I know what they have to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First question from the states is I wonder if this is even legal?  Advertising to minors?  What if I am going into this store to buy wine for our evening party with my 15 year old son who has a phone also.  Now he gets this message?  I can imagine some very upset parents.</p>
<p>Next thought, if it is legal, which I doubt, I agree with the advertising comment that a poster would be better.  The better use of this marketing would be to transfer some really fun 30 second adverts to the phone that they have previously produced, or great sports moments, or something that advertises their brand that can go viral&#8230;</p>
<p>I can also attest that I have never called a liquor store and really have no need ever to call a liquor store.  I know where they are, and unfortunately, I know what they have to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right -- you sort of underline my point. The business card scenario might make sense in some situations, but not all. But it&#039;s probably part of the BT ad provider&#039;s basic package, or something, and they&#039;re selling on being oh-so-cool by sending out this high-tech stuff, rather than taking the time to think about what&#039;s appropriate for each client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right &#8212; you sort of underline my point. The business card scenario might make sense in some situations, but not all. But it&#8217;s probably part of the BT ad provider&#8217;s basic package, or something, and they&#8217;re selling on being oh-so-cool by sending out this high-tech stuff, rather than taking the time to think about what&#8217;s appropriate for each client.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Cadden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Cadden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece. While I normally despise Bluetooth advertising (because most of it is easily and appropriately labeled as &#039;spam&#039;, I&#039;m actually quite impressed by the business card message. While the liquor store might not be the best, it would be great for sit-down restaurants, as I actually have a number of local ones saved to my phonebook, for hassle-free call-ahead seating. 

I actually think SMS messaging is far better than bluetooth, and can think of several businesses I wouldn&#039;t mind getting SMS from, including local bars, letting me know their drink specials for tonite, or an upcoming local band, for instance. 

The problem, as you point out, is that most places using mobile marketing do not, for whatever reason, use the same logic that they use in other campaigns. For instance, while I would like to get the aforementioned SMS updates, I&#039;m not 100% confident that they wouldn&#039;t do something stupid, like send an ad along with their updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece. While I normally despise Bluetooth advertising (because most of it is easily and appropriately labeled as &#8216;spam&#8217;, I&#8217;m actually quite impressed by the business card message. While the liquor store might not be the best, it would be great for sit-down restaurants, as I actually have a number of local ones saved to my phonebook, for hassle-free call-ahead seating. </p>
<p>I actually think SMS messaging is far better than bluetooth, and can think of several businesses I wouldn&#8217;t mind getting SMS from, including local bars, letting me know their drink specials for tonite, or an upcoming local band, for instance. </p>
<p>The problem, as you point out, is that most places using mobile marketing do not, for whatever reason, use the same logic that they use in other campaigns. For instance, while I would like to get the aforementioned SMS updates, I&#8217;m not 100% confident that they wouldn&#8217;t do something stupid, like send an ad along with their updates.</p>
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